Annie Petsonk, the international counsel for the Environmental Defense Fund, discusses the differences between what happens in the negotiation rooms at the climate change conference and outside, where countries are making unilateral plans to confront climate change. She also talks about the importance of the Waxman-Markey bill in the US. Also see Annie Petsonk speaking from Bonn in June 2009. And Angela Anderson, Program Director, US Climate Action Network, speaking from Bangkok in October 2009